December 26, 2006
Another Thing Peter Vallone Hates: Pit Bulls
When City Councilman Peter Vallone is not complaining about graffiti, it seems like his other pet peeve are pit bulls. Vallone is trying to ban pit bulls from city pet owners (by way of repealing a "state law prohibiting breed-specific legislation"). NYC would join cities like Denver and Miami, and the resolution notes that pit bulls are "often a weapon of choice of drug dealers and gangs seeking to intimidate and terrorize neighborhoods." Vallone tells the NY Sun that the pit bulls' jaws "lock," which prevents people from defending themselves, their children or pets from being hurt: "It's out job to get this done before another child's face is ripped off."
However, this ban would only apply to new owners, versus the current owners of pit bulls (no words on the mixed-breeds with pit bull in them). And there are some people who think there's a lot of panic over nothing: Urbanhound.com lawyer Darryl Vernon points out that "Twenty years ago, German shepherds were thought of as dangerous dogs. Now they're patrolling our borders and sniffing out bombs; now they're patriotic dogs." Besides, criminals would just find another dog to use as intimidators.
If this is ever debated at City Hall, we would like pit bull-advocates to invite The Dog Whisperer Cesar Milan to speak. And Vallone doesn't hate all dogs - he happens to have a Bichon Frise named Gus Gus. (We have to wonder if Gus Gus met an angry pit bull during a morning walk.)
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man, imagine if they made pitbulls with transfats? talk about a grandstanding goldmine!
pits don't "lock" their jaws any more than any other dog does. they're just an incredibly strong breed compared to other dogs their size.
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Odd, but way back when, the dog in The Little Rascals' serials, was a pit. BAck then, that was the dog to get, if you had kids-they were regarded as intelligent, and exceptionally gentle.
A vet once told me, she'd put down more labradors and retrievers for biting people, even people in the families that owned them. Apparently, those dogs are extremely terratorial, and don't take kindly to people going where the dog doesn't think they should be, even if they're family or neighbors known to the dog, and they don't like having a toy pulled away from them.
I remember a neighbor who had dobies...most kid friendly dogs I've ever seen. Neighborhood kids would literally climb all over these dogs, and they'd just lick them. And, a coworker has a rottwieler...its the smartest dog I've ever seen-learns tricks just like that, learned obediance training faster than any other dog in the class, but a few weeks, ago, his owner's home got broken into...the guy got caught, and said that he hadn't known about the rottweiler. But, once he got in, the biggest problem he had with the dog, was to stop it following him around, wagging its tail.
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Does anyone actually believe it after they say labradors bite more and are more dangerous than pitbulls, people they constantly tell it to know its total crap the minute they say it, good conversation stopper. I was fine with pitbulls until one recently came out the front door of a home and bit both of my dogs, that bastard had my dog in its mouth for 5 minutes and 5 adults including the owner couldn't get the animal to release its bite, argument was over after that, no more for me let another country keep the breed going.
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I say while vallone's at it, track down that dog in the picture.
I guess if the pro pit bull group says it often enough people will believer they're sweet as pie dogs and don't forget the I have a pit bull and I leave it alone with my one year old and she's sweet as pie.
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Well duh. The pit bull type dogs are known to be animal aggressive and any responsible owner should have a breaking stick (it is a small wooden stick used to pry open the pit bulls jaws). However, being animal aggressive is NOT the same thing as being human aggressive. Human aggression was selected against by breeders.
And yes, pit bulls have a much higher pain tolerance and given their submissive nature are less likely to bite. In fact, these dogs generally make horrible watch dogs as they are so submissive to humans. For example, my rottweiler is the one that is more likely to be aggressive to somebody coming in the house uninvited. The pit bull would likely back up the rott, but she certainly wouldn't initiate any aggression save perhaps to defend/protect a family member.
Seriously, read up on these dogs before you go off half-cocked making stuff up. And as for famous pit bulls, besides Pete the Pup from Little Rascals there are other less well known examples such as Bandog Dread one of the most titled dogs of all time with titles in schutzhund, companion dog, utility dog, weight pull and herding. Then there are the three pit bulls Cheyenne, Dakota and Tahoe owned by Kristine Crawford. These three are Search And Rescue (SAR) Dogs. Then there was Missy, a pit bull that saved a boy from being mauled by two akitas. Nobody could get the akitas off the boy so a neighbor let Missy out who charged into the fray and held the both akitas off the boy until animal control and the police could arrive. She probably saved that boys life. Then there is Popsicle who was found nearly dead in a refridgerator and taken in and trained by the U.S. Custom Service who sniffed out one of the largest amounts of drugs being smuggled into the country. And RCA was the first certified hearing dog and also an American Pit Bull Terrier.
These dogs deserve our love not our hate.
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Heeeeeere we are.
A Breaking Stick? Did anyone actually see any of these mythical thingamabobs?
Good God, can you pro pit bull post be any longer?
Why anyone would wants these Spawns of Satan, I'll never know. Look at the cloven hooves on that pitbull picture above.
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Yes, I own two of them. And you can buy them here
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Can the ad use the word Illegal a few more times?
This deal is for buying 2 or more sticks at one time. It is our opinion, at O'Brien's Supply, that all responsible Pit Bull owners should posses and be familiar with the operation of a parting stick. THESE STICKS ARE NOT INTENDED FOR ANY ILLEGAL USE, Merely to end any fight that might accidentally happen. Once again we cannot stress enough that these sticks are not and will never be offered by O'Brien's Supply for any illegal purpose!!!!! These parting sticks are made here at O'Brien's. These sticks are made of hickory and hand crafted. They are finely sanded and oiled. They are fitted with a leather strap to keep it at hand's reach. The sticks are sure to please you.
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Steve when you need to keep a tool handy to pry other dogs and children from your animals mouth the argument has concluded, why would you persist keeping an animal that is not allowed at most kennels, dog parks, and your friends and families houses? They have a reputation for good reason, they always say its the owners fault, complete idiots are attracted to these animals, if they weren't allowed to get them we would have no bad pit bull owners.
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Sorry, but there is lots of ignorance surrounding the bully breeds. You've seen it here with the "locking jaw" myth. As such people look at breaking/parting sticks and assume people who have them fight their dog(s). And as the supplier, O'Briens is probably worried about lawsuits. You get the same thing with tread mills, weight pulling and hang time equipiment. Most people don't realize these are legitimate competitions at some dog shows.
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Again, pit bulls are not human aggressive so you would probably never have to pry a child from the dog. My pit bull has been around children as young as 2 and never has there been any sign of aggression at all. This is common for the breed.
However, these dogs are animal aggressive and even if they don't start a fight they wont back down. As such, having parting stick is smart as it will allow the owner to seperate the fighting dogs quickly and with minimal injury.
And in the hopes that the third time will work, animal aggression is not human aggression. This dog has been in this country for well over a century, yet only in the last decade or two has there been a "problem". Why weren't these dogs causing all sorts of problems in the 1950's, 1960's etc.? In the past the "problem dog" has been the rottweiler, the doberman, the german shepherd, etc. Right now the popular "problem dog" is the pit bull.
Gee thanks. I own one of these dogs and I take all the precautions with my dog. She never leaves the front door save on a leash and prong collar. The backyard is fenced with cinder block over fight feet in height. I've socialized her with people and also with small animals and other dogs. I've trained her to respond to voice commands and do not tolerate any sign of aggression towards other animals. I also walk her at least two miles a day to help her get out some of her energy. I plan on having her take the Canine Good Citizenship test as well. And she is so good at accepting affection, I'm considering training her to become a therapy dog.
Now who is being the complete idiot? Seriously what do you think a thug is going to do? Shrug his shoulders and say, "Oh...no more pit bulls. Darn guess I'll not get a dog." No, he'll move on to rottweilers, german shepherds, akitas, cane corsos, doggo argentio, boxers, presa canarios, dobermans, bull mastiffs, fila brasileiros, ca de bou, etc. There is a large list of large powerful breeds that idiot dog owners who want living weapons can turn too. This is why breed specicific legislation tends not to work. For example, in England the American Pit Bull Terrier is banned, but guess what, they still have dog bites, dog maulings, and dog caused fatalities.
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Any dog can be vicious, however I think some of the bully breeds have a bit of fighting breed in, since that is what many of them were bred for. Some of it is nature, some of it is nurture. Any sort of dog can bite, and some of the worst offenders are these little frou-frou dogs.
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While pet owners need to take responsibility for their pets,like leash laws for example,as a parent,Im disturbed about the worry of pit bulls.
All one has to do is allow and fund Animal Control to do their job and accept that not all dog owners like that of pit bulls are bad, just like all who listen to Rap or Heavy Metal are bad people.
(Didnt we go through people on a witch hunt with music not too long ago?)
Mr.Vallone should be more disturbed about child crimes that are on a rise every day.
Think this man needs more to do and the people who think any dog should be banned from all.
Let the rescues, orgs, and Animal Control who have experience be involved with this matter.
Lets worry about child abductions and the meth problem Mr. Vallone you should be hating THOSE THINGS.
Lisa Zukowski
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To all the reactionary nutjobs in favor of ABPT laws: If the pit bulls are gone, won't some other big, powerful breed be used to take the place of them? Akitas, Chows, Mastiffs, Presa, Dobermans, Rottweilers are all just as fearsome to some. Hell I'd wager that someone could train packs of Chihuahu to attack en masse, like Piranha. Just thinking of all that shivering and biting makes me queasy.
I have been a NYC APBT owner for the last 10 years, and while mine is a sweet as pie, she has been socialized properly by a responsible owner.
She goes out with my GF and I all the time, sits at our feet while at outdoor cafes and has NEVER been an aggressor. She is quiet, happy, and confident dog that is phased by nothing, including screaming kids, fireworks, and thunder. That is the breed I know and love.
Let's put the problem squarely where it belongs: on the owners and breeders of all dogs. I believe in the judge the breed not the deed credo. If an dog has a patern of human aggression and the behavior cannot be trained out of them, they must be euthanized. Additionally, If all pets were required to be sterilized, unless they were part of a registered breeding program, you wouldn't have little thugs thinking they can make money by bringing unwanted puppies into the world.
So how about it Valone? regulate petshops, punish bad owners, and get some guns off the streets instead of screwing with ME?
more info at http://www.badrap.org
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Exactly right. Part of the problem with pit bull type dogs is that some miscreants are breeding these dogs to be human aggressive and also crossing them with other dogs like say the presa canario. Thus, restricting breeding to those who have the best interest of the breed at heart is good for both public safety and for the breed in question. This goes for all dogs, IMO. Many breeds such as rottweilers, german shepherds, St. Bernards, etc. have genetic problems due to bad breeding practices.
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Just confiscate all pitbulls in NYC and shoot them all, problem solved!
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No genius, problem not solved, unless you want to seize and murder all dogs over the size of a teacup Yorkie. You really think that "confiscating and shooting them" would possbly make ANY difference to quality of life for anyone except tearing family members away from beloved pets? Like I said before, something else will take their place. (Hyenas and baboons are choice for gangs in the ghettos of Kenya.) This is a hot-button BS issue done by Vallone to win some hearts with idiots like you.
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No genius, problem not solved, unless you want to seize and murder all dogs over the size of a teacup Yorkie. You really think that "confiscating and shooting them" would possbly make ANY difference to quality of life for anyone except tearing family members away from beloved pets? Like I said before, something else will take their place. (Hyenas and baboons are choice for gangs in the ghettos of Kenya.) This is a hot-button BS issue done by Vallone to win some hearts with idiots like you.
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Simpler solution, hahah
prestone and hot dogs and isn't the bay area where a dog mauled a woman to death?
any pics of that?
kill all pit bulls, let God sort'em out.
These dogs are dangerous because, well, look at that picture, Teacup dogs or whatever usually won't bite you to the bone and hang on.
How is that so hard to understand?
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Yes and it was actually two dogs and they weren't pit bulls, but presa canarios. These dogs are larger than pit bulls, have a history of fighting and AFAIK did not go through the breeding that selected against human aggression.
Also the owners of those two dogs were all idiots. Starting with the convicted felon who wanted to breed them to sell the dogs for fighting. The family that kept them on a farm where they killed some livestock (this can heighten aggression) and were then isolated and caged (this can also cause aggression problems). The lawyers for the first owner who didn't apply a firm hand to the dogs and instead unknowingly encouraged the dogs in their aggressive behavior.
I have looked at that picture and there is nothing that says the dog is aggressive. Further, the dog is chained with a substantial chain and also has a thick heavy dutey collar that is on pretty snug. In short, unless you approached the dog and provoked it, chances are it wouldn't hurt you. Duh.
No, but a boxer, rottweiler, german shepherd, bandog, doggo argentino or a cane corso might. That was Bill's point, the criminals will simply look to another breed(s) for their four legged weapons. What don't you understand about this, especially as it was pointed out twice before?
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Pitbulls = thugs.
anyone who sees a pitbull would cross over to the other side of the street, no matter what.
Pitbulls maul and rip children's flesh, to them, a little child is a rump roast or leg of lamb.
they don't know the difference.
A pitbull would clamp onto your face even when it's dead. It will never, I repeat, Never let go. even dead it's still tearing into you.
There's really no use for this disgusting animal.
It truly is the spawn of Satan.
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Really? Try this flickr group and tell me how many of the people or dogs there look like thugs?
http://www.flickr.com/groups/familypitbulls/
My pit bull is extremely human submissive and your ignorance is truly pathetic.
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Pitbulls = license to kill.
Only in America where sickos thrive would there be organizations condoning this hateful breed.
OH pardon moi, this isn't even a frikin breed, they don't even know what it is.
Not only is it a dangerous animal, it's damn ugly to boot.
I only hope none of you ever had your FACE ripped open by one of these spawn of Satan.
Again, I pray your child or your wife will ever get their face ripped apart by this "pet".
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Fellow pit bull owners, is there a way to formally protest this ignorant political hack? Pit Bulls are one of the highest rated dog breeds by various associations of breeders based on many factors, including compatibility with children and other dogs. It is is the drug dealing and dog fighting owners that Vallone is taking our attention off of - why not go after an animal (who doesn't vote) rather than admit your impotence in legislating real issues and solving real problems?
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"owner should have a breaking stick (it is a small wooden stick used to pry open the pit bulls jaws)."
It's actually illegal in NY to have a "breaking stick" Its considered dog fighting aparatus..
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Discrimination, and negative profiling, is wrong.
Its wrong for people. Its wrong for dogs.
We have offered our assistance to Councilman Vallone, who clearly does not have many facts available to him.
further information:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/12/prweb494168.htm
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We recently saw a pitbull ban in Toronto that was the result of an investigation into bites by the Toronto Star. It has been politically disastrous and most of the councilmembers involved are incredibly regretful.
Vallone's nanny state approach to governance is precisely why freedom is under attack in New York.
On the other hand, that prying-stick is pretty scary. Responsible owners keep their dogs muzzled, and if a muzzled animal gets attacked, it is literally defenseless. The fact that pitbulls are animal aggressive should be worrisome.
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Nonsense. There is no reason why any specific breed should be muzzled in general. A pit bull on a leash owned by a responsible owner in general wont be a threat to any other dog. Further, the above absolves all other dog owners of their responsibility. I can't tell you how many times I've had to step in front of my dog as some dimwit let his tea cup chihuahua charge my American Pit Bull Terrier while off leash all the while smiling saying, "Oh don't worry, he's friendly!" Hello dumbass there is a freaking leash law. If all dogs are on leashes then there is no way for another dog to do things like aggressively charge another dog.
As for the animal aggression, socialization, a strong leash and collar (e.g. a prong collar) and other dog owners also taking responsibility would reduce this problem to a minor nuisance. We expect all people who drive to drive responsibly, all other dog owners should own their dogs responsibly as well.
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The Breaking Stick is considered a weapon here in NYC. Another word for that item is a Kubatan.
By carrying it, you are carrying a weapon.
Notice it has a wrist strap. That's a weapon under the penal law.
that's why the ad has so many disclaimers.
peter is correct.
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A teacup doggie usually won't rip your face into shreds and hang on.
A teacup dog won't bite deeply into your brain.
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Ever see this page? http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
Only one dog on that page is an American Pit Bull Terrier. But if any one of them attacked someone, PIT BULL ATTACK would be the front page headline of the NY Post.
"Pit bull" is not even a breed of dog, it’s a generic term typically used to group 3 breeds: the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier
And it is often wrongly applied to any medium to large sized dog with short hair and a large head, giving the real pit bulls an undeserved bad rap.
I don't own a pit bull (or any dog for that matter)...I'm just not a knee-jerk reactionary who jumps to conclusions without the facts.
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i've been barked at by more teacup doggies than any bull breed. granted, the teacup doggies aren't much of a threat, but in my experience they certainly tend to be more aggressive than any pit bull or any other bulldog i've ever encountered.
certainly not scientific, but just my real world observation.
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Fellow Pit Owners: Lets not waste anymore time with the ignorants of the world. The FACTS speak for themselves. Not the negative that the media is only interested in or the myths that Vallone likes to spew. I have 4 dogs. A lab, a pit, a american bulldog & a rottie. The Lab will be the first to go for a stranger. The rest will back him up, but it is not their first reaction. The other 3 are registered Therapy Dogs, are constantly around children. NEVER a problem. Unfortunatly, there will always be SOMEONE complaining about something. Lets stick to what will help our dogs. I have started a petition to oppose this breed ban. You can sign it here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/883678996
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Technically, there are at least two "pit bulls" as the American Bull Dog is also considered to bein that "class" of dogs. The American Bull Dog, like the American Pit Bull Terrier, is also dog aggressive and a "game" dog and is the larger of the two breeds.
Absolutely right. Also pit bulls are usually human submissive. One thing that is missing from discussions of pit bull attacks are things like rates in terms of the number of attacks and the total population for the breed in question. Pit bulls have been pretty popular dogs so this is an important consideration.
As for the smaller dogs many owners are quite irresponsible. They figure it is a small dog so who could it hurt? A small child? Also, with the way most leash laws work, if a small yapper instigates a fight with a leashed pit bull type dog the yapper owner is pretty much SOL. Not only that, but we are talking about dogs here not kids and you can't warn them not to dash into traffic, go to far from home, etc.
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Update on Petition: The title needed to be changed due to some confusion. Please let me clarify. I DO NOT support breed bans. By signing the revised petition below you are showing your opposition to them. If you signed my previous one & are AGAINST breed bans, please sign this one. I had to delete the old one. Thanks & my apologies! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/503792736
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> The Breaking Stick is considered a weapon here in NYC. Another word for that item is a Kubatan.
Ohhh! I always wondered what people meant when they said to their kids, "Shut up or I'll beat you with a hickory stick!"
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Quote From Cesar Milan, "The Dog Whisperer": "There are no killer dogs! Dogs are not born killers nor do they choose to
be killers. What we are seeing in the news with the recent rash of canine
violence is the tragic outcome of humans who own dogs, but do not know how
to properly fulfill the needs of man's best friend.
We can prevent dog attacks by understanding dog psychology. Dog owners,
the public and especially the professionals charged with issues of public
safety can live harmoniously with canines through proper care and
communication with the animals.
I have proven that this is indeed true".
- Cesar Millan
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fFUeMtc1Z8
You wanna see how vicious this dog is? Watch him, he's tearing up a defenseless little boy who only wanted to play. This might be considered graphic, but there isn't that much blood to go around. These dogs are pure killers.. Only a drug dealer would want a dog like this. Look at the poor child's face.
Look at the square shaped head, it's an ABOMINATION. >_
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There's undertones of racism in this hate towards pitbulls. Why don't we ban guns? They tear kids faces of too, and more frequently.
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Pit Bulls arent even a recognized breed by the AKC, and for good reason. Can you imagine a group of them at a show? They would mall everyone! And yes, I have seen a few mean labs, and german shephards, but pit bulls dont just bite, they attack and never let go. They banned pit bulls in Denver, and Miami. I think they should ban them everywhere. Between 1979 and 1998, pit bulls accounted for almost twice as many deaths as any other breed, according to the Centers for Disease Control. ...not labs, not dalmations, not weiner dogs.. pit bulls. Not to mention the stupid woman in S.F. who left her OH SO FRIENDLY PIT BULL alone with her son, and it killed him. And all she could come up with was. "Well, we never trained him to do anything mean!" what a dumb dumb dumb dumb woman. not to mention a tragic loss. But what an idiot. Yeah. a friendly pit bull.. There was also a woman in NY state who was dog-sitting her friends pit bull.. she let the dog out, and it came into the garage, and decided "hmmm, she looks tasty", and killed her in all of about 5 minutes.. Thank god the cops shot the useless piece of trash dog. So the next time anyone says their pit bull is friendly.. tell them to let it off the leash to prove it.. and it will certainly kill you too.. sooner or later
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Pit Bulls arent even a recognized breed by the AKC, and for good reason. Can you imagine a group of them at a show? They would mall everyone! And yes, I have seen a few mean labs, and german shephards, but pit bulls dont just bite, they attack and never let go. They banned pit bulls in Denver, and Miami. I think they should ban them everywhere. Between 1979 and 1998, pit bulls accounted for almost twice as many deaths as any other breed, according to the Centers for Disease Control. ...not labs, not dalmations, not weiner dogs.. pit bulls. Not to mention the stupid woman in S.F. who left her OH SO FRIENDLY PIT BULL alone with her son, and it killed him. And all she could come up with was. "Well, we never trained him to do anything mean!" what a dumb dumb dumb dumb woman. not to mention a tragic loss. But what an idiot. Yeah. a friendly pit bull.. There was also a woman in NY state who was dog-sitting her friends pit bull.. she let the dog out, and it came into the garage, and decided "hmmm, she looks tasty", and killed her in all of about 5 minutes.. Thank god the cops shot the useless piece of trash dog. So the next time anyone says their pit bull is friendly.. tell them to let it off the leash to prove it.. and it will certainly kill you too.. sooner or later
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Pit bulls aren't banned in many cities for no reason. Its like saying that cigarettes really arent bad for you. Im not dead yet? I mean come on people, are we that retarded? And id rather have a dalmation turn on me, than a pit bull, a german shephard might give you a good bite, but it wont keep going and going and going and going... usually.. I live in Harlem, and have seen about 5 pit bulls this evening. One guy told me to walk on the other side of the street cause his dog might eat mine, eventhough he had the typical chain link fence around the poor dogs neck.. AND WHY DO OWNERS HAVE THOS HUGE CHAINS AROUND THE PITBULLS?? hmmm I wonder.. and what about the pit-bull owners in St Louis who were murdered in 2005by their oh-so-friendly pit bulls??? and the woman in upstate NY who was killed this year while dog-sitting her friends pit bull. it turned on her and killed her in about 1 minute flat.. ive had a lab for 15 years and let me tell ya.. im alive to tell you about her.. and I HAVE NEVER SEEN NOR WOULD ALLOW A PIT BULL IN MY HOSPITAL TO BE USED AS A THERAPY DOG... all my patients would be dead...end of subject.. all pro pit bull people are either drug dealers or using them to fight for money....
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Between 1979 and 1994, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) reports that one of every three deaths can be attributed to Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Siberian Huskies, and Alaskan Malamutes. Wolf-dog hybrids
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I have a pitbull mix. He is 3 years old. I live in Manhattan and every walk he is around other dogs, children and any type of person you can imagine. He loves everyone and is happy to say hello. My last dog was a toy poodle which was extremely territorial. My pittbull mix has been nothing but pleasant to everybody.
Banning a dog breed is definetely a form of racism. Yes if my dog attacked you- you could be in a world of hurt but the same thing goes if someone bigger and stronger attacked me. As far as I know we can not ban strong people from the city.
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The League of Humane Voters of New York City has been tracking this resolution for years. More information can be found on the Scorecards section of the League's site at www.humanenyc.org
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