August 15, 2006
Queens Hate Crime Victims Discuss Attack
The Asian men who were beaten in Queens spoke to reporters yesterday about the weekend attack. The Queens DA's office charged Kevin Brown and Paul Heavey with assault, reckless endangerment and criminal mischief after they allegedly taunted four Chinese Americans with racial slurs and beating two of them. Reynold Liang, a 19 year old sophomore at SUNY Albany, who was beaten the most severely and now has fractured skull along with the various cuts and bruises, vaguely described the incident: "They called me a stupid gook. They said it over and over again... Definitely - no doubt about it - to me, they were racists. They did it because I was Asian." (The NY Times, though, noted that none of the victims would go into great detail, based on advice from their lawyers.)
The Post had the most comprehensive explanation from authorities of what prompted the attack:
The three men and another Chinese-American friend, all age 19, were riding in Liang's car in Douglaston when Kevin Brown and Paul Heavey pulled up in a Toyota and screamed, "Get out of our neighborhood" followed by racial slurs, according to authorities.Brown's attorney still claims it was a traffic accident that escalated into a racial-slur-free fight, but that doesn't work with witness statements. The Daily News' Juan Gonzalez laments the low bails set for Brown and Heavey; the DA asked for $150,000 bail for Brown, but it was set at $30,000. And more details emerge about Brown's brush with the law in May: He almost hit two pedestrians with his car, punching one and then attacking the other with a ball hammer - what a class act!Police Commissioner Ray Kelly yesterday said cops believe someone in Liang's Lexus then threw a water bottle at the Toyota, which rear-ended the Liang's car when he tried to drive away.
The Toyota followed the Lexus to 44th Avenue and Douglaston Parkway, where Brown, 19, and Heavey, 20, got out and attacked Lu, who had exited the car to check on damage, authorities said.
Liang was beaten about the head and chest with his own steering wheel lock when he tried to come to Lu's defense.
The NY Times talks to Queens residents who have differing perspectives on the likelihood of racial attacks - some are shocked while others aren't given the explosion of new residents and . And Liang gave them a good quote to end their article on: “I definitely don’t want this to happen to anybody else. Queens is a nice area. It’s my home.”
Photograph from Adam Rountree/AP
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Councilman Liu to the rescue again. Just love that guy!
Not just Liu (bx sci) but councilman Wepin was at the press conference, too.
Hate is hate.
It's interesting that when hate crimes happen to a person of color that isn't black it becomes a big story yet when was the last time you saw this much news coverage on a black person or a gay person who was the victim of the same crime?
last i checked glenn moore was black. this story is interesting because it's got race and class warfare mixed together.
When was the last time?
hmmm, let me see, anyone remember the drag queen who had his jaw smashed?
how soon you people forget.
Yes, give me a break from you racists.
PC or not PC, I own a Mac. OK, not really but go to your Fox news forum and leave your hate out of here.
i count 13 entries with "Minucci" in it. that was a hate crime. probably 8-ish entries devoted to it.
just heard on the radio that people are happy that the two attackers got set a low-bail - supposedly some store owner just put a price out on the heads of those two
Man they sure determined this was a hate crime pretty quick. And the "Fat Nick" case was equally quick.
So why is it that the Marine Park basketball court thrashing took over a year to be declared a hate crime?
Hmmmmm...
Oh and John Liu is nothing more than a publicity-hogging ambulance chaser. Any time he can get in front of a camera, you can bet he will.
Just like every opportunistic vulture politician.
Whatever you say, vinny.
Like the legend of billie jean, John Liu is EVERYWHERE.
What's fair is fair.
Indeed. What's fair is fair. John Liu is a fricking ambulance chaser. Nothing I've seen proves that wrong.
why is it when whites assault and use epitaphs it's a hate crime but when non whites call whites names and assault them it isn't? If these laws are going to be applied I am sick and tired of them being applied selectively.
remember when that NYU student was attacked by a gang of blacks yelling 'get whitey' no hate crime charges. Why?
quote from the nypost:
" The teens were reported to have shouted "Get whitey!" as they attacked Hehman, but police sources said that there was no evidence to support this allegation, or any hate crime charges."
You wonder why whites are getting fed up?
hey, just passing through,
Look it up, there was a black man convicted of a hate crime.
and, vinny, what do you mean by "ambulance chaser"?
He wasn't a lawyer before he became a city councilman, in fact, he worked for PriceWaterhouse Coopers.
quoting a korean guy from the new york times:
Dr. Min, who is Korean, recalled instances of bias when he moved to Bayside two decades ago, including the placing of nails in the tires of an Asian friend’s car. “Now it’s much better,” he said. “All of my neighbors are Chinese. I am surrounded by Chinese. I feel very comfortable there.”
but of COURSE if whites said they feel more comfortable around whites they would be racist, right? Asians openly admit they are in competition with whites, working as a community to advance Asian ethnic interests. The New York Times and our leaders say that's ok but if whites do it it's racism. You see where this is heading?
I don't condone what the kids did -(but on the other hand I don't see it as anything more than a drunken brawl - stupid and prosecutable but not some crime of the century), but on the other hand, I believe that current policies and biases in them are pushing the backs of whites against the wall.
wrong again, instead of living with Asians,
the white homeowners decided to move to be with their own kind.
pot meet kettle.
"Hate crime' victims:
Young, poor, white
210,000 targeted annually
due to bias, statistics show"
But the news media makes a national issue out of it only when the victim is not white
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48898
Worldnetdaily???????
are you kidding me?
You had your Klan rally in DC and that was a national event.
"wrong again, instead of living with Asians,
the white homeowners decided to move to be with their own kind.
pot meet kettle."
Well if that is the case, then why should the US have a policy of admitting more non Whites? Korea doesn't admit non Koreans, nor China nor Japan. If we allow mass numbers of Asians here, and Asian countries do not aren't we putting ourselves at a disadvantage, particularly since Asians show clear ethnic solidarity?
"Worldnetdaily???????
are you kidding me?
You had your Klan rally in DC and that was a national event."
He bases that on lucid FBI government stats. Sorry you have to resort to name calling. If you want you can look up the FBI crime stats yourself.
I'm just glad asians have finally used the race card and stopped blacks from monopolizing it.
"but of COURSE if whites said they feel more comfortable around whites they would be racist, right?"
Gee, lets see who says they would rather live with white people? Is it the people who run an organization which has a history of racist violence? Its not my fault its not "socially acceptable."
"Asians openly admit they are in competition with whites, working as a community to advance Asian ethnic interests."
I like your conspiracy theory. Why do minorities live together? To avoid racism. It becomes Racism 101 every time you have to explain why A and B are wrong.
"I don't condone what the kids did -(but on the other hand I don't see it as anything more than a drunken brawl"
If its racist to descriminate when hiring for jobs, it should be racist for a criminal to pick their targets based on the way they look. Its pretty simple really.
"pushing the backs of whites against the wall."
Yeah, white people are doing quite poorly in America. Take a look at hollywood, the gov, and the forbes 500 list.
"but of COURSE if whites said they feel more comfortable around whites they would be racist, right?"
That's absolutely ridiculous. Look around you. If Asians feel more comfortable around other Asians, it's b/c they're tired of being exposed to racism or ignorance from the dominant people (whites) in society. There is no comparable situation for white people. And don't say that white people feel uncomfortable in Harlem or whatever.
Korean Guy, if whites are so racist and nasty why do you chose to live in a white majority country and move to white majority neighborhoods. Why don't you move back to Korea to be with other Koreans?
Korea (North and South) Japan, China, all have tight tight immigration policies - pretty much if your not native descent you can't immigrate. Are they racist? Or is it just whites?
Oh my God LOL a Korean accusing people of being racist? Other than the Japanese by far Koreans are the most ethnocentric people in Asia.
just passing through, I'm Asian American and I agree with you that Asians can be just as racist as white people. I don't think anyone in this thread has said otherwise.
But we're not talking about Asians right now. This is about two assholes who attacked a group of people for the way they looked. And wtf, telling Korean Guy to "go back" to Korea? What makes you think he was even born there? I hope I illuminated a little bit of your own stupidity for you. You're welcome.
why don't you pieces of shit all go back to your own countries we were here first.
That's absolutely ridiculous. Look around you. If Asians feel more comfortable around other Asians, it's b/c they're tired of being exposed to racism or ignorance from the dominant people (whites) in society. There is no comparable situation for white people. And don't say that white people feel uncomfortable in Harlem or whatever.
Wow, Asians really have learned to play the race card. It's all whitey's fault. Asians are never racist never wrong, always victims, allowed to help each other out, hire fellow Asians over whites, and so on, because whites are racist.
Well if you and other Asians have such a problem with whites why do you chose to come to white majority countries? And you are free to leave, so if we are so nasty why don't you?...could it be that we've created a society that's more desirable to live in then the ones Asians have created? If so, why?
oh god "korean guy" give me a break. Poor white people who are doing soooo badly in the US. I'm sure compared to the PofC they aren't doing that badly. Just look at a homelessness statistic in nyc. The majority of homeless people are PorC, or more specifically black. I'm sure the whites your reading ab will survive.
I'm an Asian. This incident is just another reason why I now carry a switchblade with me wherever I go.
Also, about the comment above about Dr. Min. When he says he is more comfortable living amongst Chinese, it is not because he is racist, it is because he is happy about not having to have the shit kicked out of him by goomba meatheads.
But we're not talking about Asians right now. This is about two assholes who attacked a group of people for the way they looked. And wtf, telling Korean Guy to "go back" to Korea? What makes you think he was even born there? I hope I illuminated a little bit of your own stupidity for you. You're welcome.
I said it specifically in the context of him having a problem with white people. If you don't like whites, don't more to white majority countries.
As for this incident, you are immediately siding with the Asians, and immediately assuming the guilt of the two guys. Maybe because you are Asian? And maybe I am being skeptical because I am white? Perhaps if it was the other way around you'd be doing the same? Perhaps you are doing the same out of ethnic solidarity, and therefore, being just as racist albeit in a non violent way?
Do you at least admit that hate crime laws are applied asymmetrically?
"Korean Guy, if whites are so racist and nasty"
MMmmm I can almost taste the hate. Lets see, when did I say "whites are so racist and nasty" once? Theres a difference between ignorant and racist.
"why do you chose to live in a white majority country and move to white majority neighborhoods."
Born and raised in NYC. I didnt chose to move anywhere. NYC is the greatest city in the world, I wouldnt move. Do I need your permission to be born in NY?
"Why don't you move back to Korea to be with other Koreans?"
Ha nice. Welcome to the future where countries are not made up of a single race. You're really not going to like how it looks 20 years from now.
John Justice, if you read my other comment you'll see that I think Asians can be just as racist as white people.
"I said it specifically in the context of him having a problem with white people. If you don't like whites, don't more to white majority countries."
Just passing through, why do you assume that all us Asians "moved" to these white majority countries and should "move back" if we don't like it here? We're all perpetual immigrants? Korean Guy could have been born here. His parents could have been born here. You seem to think non-whites aren't even citizens. Honestly, what does that say about the way you perceive us?
just passing through you are a moron. some non-whites didn't choose to move to america. it looks like these chinamen were born in america, does that mean they have less of a claim to living here than a mick or a wop? those guineas said 'get out of our neighborhood,' who gave you or them the right to tell people where they should live and where they should stick it. fucking idiots.
"Ha nice. Welcome to the future where countries are not made up of a single race. You're really not going to like how it looks 20 years from now."
Two points:
this is ONLY happening in White countries -nowhere else
you advocate making whites minorities in their own countries. i sincerely doubt you advocate it for the country you or your parents came from.
Its easy to advocate policies like that when they are only happening to Whites, to your advantage. When I see Asians DEMANDING open borders for the countries which they came from, I will take you seriously, for now you're just a hypocrite, because scratch the surface of your comments and you're just as ethnocentric as I am. I am just being honest, unlike you.
I don't bear any ill will against Asians, but I will be damned if I want to become a minority in my own country. Nobody sane would.
and of course the John Liu opportunist media whore press conference.
Wow.
A truly nasty photograph of 3 guys looking like political torture or Iraq kidnap victims, the 4th is in a hospital w/a skull fracture & broken teeth, all kinds of witnesses to corroborate the victims' testimony about racial epithets and being rammed with the perps' car... not to mention all the people who knew right from wrong & rushed in to help the victims....
and the only thing some people can think about is to b!tch about "ethnic solidarity."
Wow.
Just passing through, guess what, I'm a minority in my country. But I'm not as concerned about breeding millions of Chinese babies to take over the country as I am about being treated respectfully by the people I share my home with. So I understand how you might be worried about your own stake in this. But how can you recognize that this is YOUR problem and no one else's? Choke down your fears and try to think a little about what American claims it represents.
The fact is, these people were victimized because of their race. Yelling out racial slurs and "get out of our neighborhood" makes it tough to deny that race was the motivating factor. Does it infringe on someone’s civil rights to live in fear because of their race? The answer is obviously YES. The two criminals aren’t being punished for yelling racial slurs, they’re being pushed for picking their targets based on race. The slurs they yell are the evidence of their hate.
The comments are quickly getting off track. People are just dumping their insecurities that have little relevance to the article above.
“Well if that is the case, then why should the US have a policy of admitting more non Whites? Korea doesn't admit non Koreans, nor China nor Japan.”
You forget that it was only in 1965 anti-Asian immigration measures were reversed in here in America. I’m not going to pretend I know anything about the immigration policies of Korean, China, or Japan but I do know that there are plenty of Koreans in China and Japan. There are plenty of Americans in Korea, China, and Japan. I can go on. You simply can’t have racist laws like this in place and expect to succeed in the world economy.
“Wow, Asians really have learned to play the race card. It's all whitey's fault.”
Who said it’s the fault of white people? It’s the fault of the two idiots in the truck who don’t like asian people.
“oh god "korean guy" give me a break”
Sarcasm buddy.
“As for this incident, you are immediately siding with the Asians, and immediately assuming the guilt of the two guys. Maybe because you are Asian?”
Or could it be because I read the “officials” stated in the NY Post article? I do not deny that my view is certainly biased. I doubt anyone can say they are every completely neutral. That’s why I tagged my posts as “Korean Guy,” so that I do not hide any potential bias I have.
“Perhaps you are doing the same out of ethnic solidarity”
Selfish self interest is probably the most motivating factor. Ethnic solidarity? I am not Chinese so that would not be relevant. I am more worried that I could become victimized in the same way these guys were and the criminal would be able to get away with it.
“Do you at least admit that hate crime laws are applied asymmetrically?”
Politics and justice should not mix but unfortunately that’s not how this country runs. Politics taints everything. Justice should be blind and everyone should be equally protected but its really those on the fringes of society that have to worry the most.
"I don't bear any ill will against Asians, but I will be damned if I want to become a minority in my own country."?
You mean the Native American Indian's Country, Right?
(sigh)
"just passing through", It's very Simple: If you can find someone willing: HAVE LOTS OF KIDS.
why do white people think they have priority over everyone else? unless you are native american, this country is made up of immigrants of different nationalities. my boyfriend's dad is a bronx native whose parents are from italy. he hates all immigriants despite being a descendent of one. i never understand that mentality.
also, didn't the NYT and gothamist just run a story about the decrease in white/black populations and an increase in asians/latinos? i guess being de-throned hurts.
Ten years ago, I was a student at a State University. I was riding on my bike on a dimly lit road. My bike lights went out, so I got off and walked.
Then out of the darkness some neo-nazi-kkk pulled out of nowhere and flashed his car headlights at me and said "Son, what are you here? Get out off the block you f* chink".
Now, I'm not big. In fact, I was only 115lbs at 5ft6in. Not exactly intimidating.
Traditionally, it's only a hate crime when the victims are black.
god forbid anyone ever gets into a fight with a nonwhite and wins. they will automatically be charged with a hate crime and face up to 15 years in prison. I personally saw two asians attack a white truck driver with a steering wheel lock for a minor traffick incident(that seems to be an modus operandi among asians these days) when the police came, they reverted to their "humble mode" threw the club back in their car and pretended not to speak english. whites are generally viewed as soft by other races, it looks like these two asian kids made the mistake of messing with some of the few white kids who haven't been castrated by political correctness.
let me tell you about a real hate crime, a couple of years ago in colorado, around a dozen asian youths, kidnapped a white college student and gang raped, sodomized and beat her half to death. they said the reason was that they wanted to "get with a white girl" that night.
Mike, I wonder what article you read that said that these Asian kids messed with the white kids first. I am under the suspicion that you didn't read a damn thing about it.
As for the traffic incident you mentioned, you said nothing that would indicate it was a hate crime. The Asians did not yell any racial epithets about the white guy they were attacking. So there's no connecting btwn what you're saying and what most other people in this thread are. Oops.
I can understand the Asians defending the victims.
For the whites, why are you defending the violent criminals with rap sheets from Queens to Germany?
Did you guys defend white victims of black hate crime which happens just about everyday?
Most orientals are small and weak; leave them alone.
From the word's of Mier Kahane,
Stay alive with a forty five and,
A twenty two for every Jew.
Hi mike. what's a traffick incident?
let me tell you bout a guy named jeb.
(and did you see NY1 tonight with the howard beach victims mother, this will be the 20th anniversery of that wonderful day)
hi mike, again. buddy.
Is everyone retarded? This is what it is, 4 asian guys getting beat up by 2 racist white guys. You white supremists should stfu, everyone in this nation is a immigrant (except for american indians) so don't tell anyone where/how we like to live.
meir (not mier) kahane wouldn't have approved of the displacement of whites and was very much against nonwhite immigration to the US as much as he was against arab immigration to israel. it's funny how john liu , who is so against racism is so buddy buddy with his comrade in the city council, Charles Baron who said that feels like smacking white people around for his "mental health"
the two asians were screaming "gweilo" a deragatory term for whites in chinese, as they attacked him. my major point was that they were using a steering wheel lock, the same as in the case at hand. my other point, that contrary to the stereotype of being quiet and reserved, asians in fact are capable of extremel violence, particularly when they are in groups. look at the prevalence of asian gang activity in the united states. the article even admits that the club lock belonged to the asians, and that they were disarmed by the whites. by the way, why would four asians, outnumbering two whites need to brandish a weapon in the first place?
because white people love to fight. (the scots, the irish, the italians etc etc) They just do.
Ask any drunk on a Friday night.
they love confrontation. right, mikee boy? my mikey boy. just like you love to do on gothamist, mikey boy.
a 22 for every Jew.
Just last week, this fat white lady yelled to my wife out of her Pontiac, "You can't cross the street when the light is red in America." The lady was parked on the side, just starting her engine, and my wife was crossing Middle Neck Road in Great Neck with a baby stroller when there are no cars to be seen for at least a block either way. My wife, a medical doctor, was born here although she is of Indian descent. Also, last week, I witnesses a white lady in a Verizon store in Lower Manhattan telling one of the Latina salesperson, "Do you understand English!" even though the salesperson spoke perfect English with a slight accent.
The fact is, only a dumb white person would, and feel entitled to, say something like that. A sense of entitlement since the land was stolen from Native Americans, and other persons. Quite unfortunate to see a few dumb white folks here.
the mantra that "whites stole the land" is 100 percent false. the Kennewick man lived in America long before the so called "native americans" and the Kennewick man was caucasian. in addition, since you quote the saying a "a 22 for every jew" I'm not sure if you mean "every jew a 22" which was Kahane's saying. maybe you are calling for a 22 to be used against jews, i'm not sure. since jews are on the topic, i was thinking, the same forces which make it impossible for whites to defend themselves against hostile minorities like yourself is the same reason that Israel lost its' recent war with Lebanon. it seems that whites and jews have lost their racial solidarity and indeed, their will to survive.
I'm sure this Kennewick man is a very popular figure on the hate websites you visit. Embrace it..it's all you have. Oh by the way there is no proof that he was Caucasian. I can't wait for science to prove you wrong.
Hostile minorities? Destroying the whites' will to survive? A bit of an exaggeration.
every race is capable of a great deal of aggression and there is plenty of blame to go around. if a thorough NONPOLITICIZED investigation reveals that these whites were guilty, then I would advocate that they be punished to the full extent of the law. what I am against is the double standard in prosecutions of hate crimes and the accusations of racism that are intentionally used to try and demoralize and disenfrachise whites.
Hey, you two mikes.
You guys don't happen to be the guys posting flyers on white power?
I've see these words before:
racial solidarity,
will to survice (the race, I assume the 18 words)
disenfachise sp? whites,
How can this be political when Asians don't have any political influence or power?
oops, I added 4 extra words
anyway, double lightning bolts to ya.
Every chinese a 303?