July 27, 2006
Clubbing, Underaged Drinking, Towed Car, Missing Teen
After realizing bouncers need regulating, will the city crack down on clubs serving underage patrons? The NY Post reports that a NJ teen is missing after partying at Guest House on West 27th Street. Eighteen year old Jennifer Moore of Harrington Park, NJ and a friend left Guest House at 2:30AM, only to find that Moore's car was towed.
The teens ended up at an NYPD impound lot on West 38th Street and 12th Avenue at about 4 a.m., authorities said.Yikes. Moore did call her boyfriend at 5AM to say she was lost (the boyfriend told her to get in a cab), but that was the last she's been heard from. Police from Harrington Park and the NYPD are searching the area.Employees at the lot called an ambulance because Jennifer's friend got sick. The workers also said that both girls appeared drunk.
Jennifer's friend, who has not been identified, was taken to St. Vincent's Hospital.
Jennifer, who is not old enough to drink legally, grew worried that she would get in trouble and wandered off, authorities said.
Witnesses told police that Jennifer was last seen walking uptown along the West Side Highway wearing a white mini-skirt and a black halter-top.
We thought it was pretty tough to get into clubs if you're under 18 (not counting the "18 to party, 21 to drink" deals), but we're hearing that there are ways to get around that (a really good fake ID, flirting with the bouncer, being a celebrity/being with a celebrity). Then again, girls get in so much more easily than guys. The Post draws parallels to the Imette St. Guillen case, but we hope it doesn't end as horribly as that.
Update: Moore's body was found in a motel in West New York, NJ this morning, and police are "questioning a suspect with an extensive criminal past" according to WNBC. 1010 WINS has audio of Moore's father speaking.
Update: The police have charged a suspect in Moore's murder. Draymond Coleman, who lives in Manahttan, was arrested and charged by NJ prosecutors; his girlfriend was charged with hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence. WABC 7 reports that "the break in this case came when Coleman used the victim's cell phone to call his mother."
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This is another high profile case due to the color of the victim.
OK, now that, that's out of the way.
How did the body get from the West Side of Manhattan to a scummy hotel in Weehawken? Why is the NYPD doing an investigation in a NYCHA project?
Jen, I always agree with your posts when it comes to these issues. You'll be a good mom.
Yes, underage drinking is the problem and you rarely see the authorities crack down on that. Especially regarding celebrities, remember when Scarlett Johannson had her birthday parties at these clubs, she definately was underaged.
"Especially regarding celebrities, remember when Scarlett Johannson had her birthday parties at these clubs, she definately was underaged."
Celebs are allowed, if not by law, but by our social construct that fashionable celebs should be treated as royalty, especially if they're hot with large breasts.
She's probably just asleep or wandering Penn Station or the Port Authority. Even tourists at least know where a major transit hub is located. She probably doesn't know that everyone thinks shes missing. Thats all. She'll turn up alive and well.
Where the hell are this girl's parents?
Shes at my house, IN BED! Deuce Strikes Again
according to wnbc, her body has been found.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/9582511/detail.html
I don't think that it would have been that hard for her to get in especially early in the week.
Walking along the West Side Highway at that hour in that outfit is bait for johns looking for prostitutes. Probably abducted by one of them. They should do a sweep of all the johns over the next few weeks. They'll find their man.
I'm not sure that the clubs are entirely to blame.
Make the laws stricter FOR THE CLUBS, and the clubs will bend over backward to make sure they don't get fined or lose their license. The laws are so strict in some states (VA for instance) that this sort of thing just doesn't happen. Fake IDs are also going to become a lot less prevalent in a few years, once all the states begin to use the new-style digitally printed licenses.
Of course, instead of partying in the clubs..... they'll be partying in someone's sketchy apartment in the Bronx. I don't know of any real 'solution' to the problem, but if you want to keep them out of the clubs, it's easy enough to do.
Oops. I take that back. Sad to hear
I'm tired of people preaching how safe New York City is - it makes people complacent and think they can do this shit. And no, it's not just the "BT crowd", but everyone.
While the violence percentage is low compared to NYC, it's a percentage, and this region itself has 22 million people compared to what, 3 million in LA?
People should still be a little afraid when they're in NYC so they don't get murdered, but what, would that bring property prices down?
That is really tragic.
Daily News says she had no money or credit cards on her. so sad.
http://www.nydailynews.com/07-27-2006/news/story/438497p-369449c.html
uhhhrrr,
The number you have for NYC's population is for the Metropolitan Area, the LA pop number is for the people living in the city limits, not their own Metro Area.
Well she obviously got a ride back to NJ either through one of the tunnels or the GWB. There are cameras everywhere at these crossings, should not be too hard to find who did this.
Sad lesson for a lot of young women who drink way too much too late into the night.
tbh, i just don't feel sorry for this girl. it's definitely sad, but i am just not fazed. actually, i feel sorry for her on one account- her parent's weren't involved enough to tell her/train her that you don't drive into manhattan for a night of boozing when you are 18. other than that i really feel that what happened to her was not unexpected. at the age of 18 you want to drive from the suburbs to nyc and go out drinking with one other girl friend, then pursue your impounded car at 3in the morning, then wander off alone to avoid the consequences of your actions.......what do you expect to happen? RIP
Sad to hear. Hope they catch whomever is responsible.
um. la is at least twice as big as new york.
It seems like the third or fourth bad thing that happened near the impound lot in the past couple of months.
will- you are wrong, look it up
HAHAHA now the club is going to close because of this whore.
Am I the only one that can't understand why she didn't go to the hospital with her friend?
Maybe I am too good a friend, but I would have been on the ambulance with them.
i cant believe people could actually say that they dont feel sorry for this girl. no one deserves to be murdered and thrown in a dumpster. the whole thing is tragic. people make bad choices all the time and dont get murdered for them. it's really sad that she paid for her bad choices this way.
Who hasn't gotten drunk underage? Anyone?? I didn't think so. What this girl did was legally wrong, not morally wrong so stop the criticism. She did what your average teenager has done, and did not deserve to die. Yes, she's getting more attention because she is a white female, but its still a tragic story.
You CAN NOY blame the clubs. The club are irrelavant. We do no know that she was drunk. There were no breath tests to prove this. It is the word of a couple of guys. All we have is their here say.
Sue the the towing company. She would have had her car. They could have called the police if they thought that she was too drunk to dirve. Why did they not give her the car.
I believe it was fowl play some how. Why did they not give this girl her car. She had ID to prove who she was. She would have had ID that she was using to get in clubs.
OTC: That is why I think there was fowl play before she walked off or was driven to the dumbster in NJ. Why? Someone intimidated her or frieghtened her so that she would not go with an official. They might have contacted her parents. She told her parents that she was going to a movie that night.
She had her ID but they didn't give her the keys to the car because she was intoxicated.
She obviously escaped to avoid some sort of underage drinking penalty she thought she would be getting from the EMT's, or the police they might have called.
The sad part about is that those guys would have done absolutely nothing except for making sure that these girls got home safe. NYC emergency officers (be they EMT, police, whatever) really could not be bothered to arrest or detain a bunch of Jersey girls for being drunk. On the contrary, they would in fact be very helpful and understanding. I know from experience. What a stupid move on this girl's part. Sad, but really stupid.
Per CBS news at noon, she did not stay with her intoxicated friend because she was afraid she too would be taken in for underage drinking. Not, to mention driving under the influence.
If you can't handle your alcohol, please don't drink to excess and don't you dare drive.
anon: THEY are saying that she was intoxicated. Did they take a breath test. Some how there should be a bit more authority making decisions as to whom is not going to get their vehicle at 4am.
She supposedly left credit cards and money in the car. There should be some authority that says you may take things from the car. It is strange that she was not given an alternative to transportation.
I think the people at the towing yard should be investigated. A girl, 18 years old, in a white mini skirt, hulter, and pumps. She was a crime waiting to happen at 4am @ 38th and 12 avenue. She must have looked like a hooker.
It all sounds too fishy.
Numbers are numbers, but the NYC metro area is a lot more integrated than other cities - people from Jersey City, Yonkers, etc., can get into Manhattan probably easier than anyone from Brooklyn or Queens, but they're ignored as sources of crime (despite them being). It works in all directions and in both states.
This truly is a tragic story and as much as the fault will be debated back and forth over this forum and in the media, none of it matters. Some stupid kid will put themselves in the same situation ending in the same results.
It is definitely not Ms. Moore's fault that she was brutally murdered, but she did put herself in an easily avoidable situation. Hopefully this will help parents and their children in the future to have better judgement.
fowl play= sounds like beastiality.
i don't think anyone believes she deserved to be murdered. all i'm saying is that when i went out in the city for a night of underage drinking coming from the suburbs (which i did), i took the train and made sure i made it in time for the last one.
This breaks my heart, when kids make stupid a decision that every young person makes once in a while results in a f***ing horrow show. When I think back to the stuff me and my friends did as teenagers, I'm shocked none of us were killed. Young people are functionally retarded by nature. We're all lucky we escaped those years. I don't think this has as much to do with the danger or safety of the city, behavior of tow crews, culpability of cops. This simply has to do with a few bad choices by a kid and the sick malfeasance of a goddamn psycho.
Tip to teens who read Gothamist.com: it's better to be definitely busted by the cops for underage drinking, than maybe killed and dropped in a dumpster by some sick psycho. You may not believe me this year, but email me in a decade and you'll be buying me beers, hopefully.
Hey adam, you've got apoint there.
However, I meant foul. Thanks. I call you for my next book deal. You will be the chief editor.
This truly is a tragedy; it's really sad the girl had to learn the hard way.
But, seriously, it's underage people like this making stupid decisions to drive into the city, get drunk, and drive back to wherever they're from that ruin it for responsible, mature underage drinkers that know better than to drive while drunk
And before everyone starts having their period on me, I'm not saying that only people from outside of the city make stupid decisions like this
Of course, it's a tragedy. Nobody deserves this kind of fate. However, I'm shocked at her lack of common sense. She could think well enough on her own to realize that she was drinking underage and didn't want to get caught, but she couldn't call a cab, or call her parents, walk back into the city, or help her friend initially...
this is really sad. i feel terrible for her parents.
weird that this seemed to be more of a crime of opportunity than anything else. i think that is what disturbs me the most. some people see the chance to do harm and they pounce on it.
i shudder to think at all the stupid crap i pulled at that age and how lucky i am nothing ever happened to me. that's all it was: pure luck. what's funny is that i don't go out alot in nyc - so i consider it really safe. but the times i do go out and stay out till 4am there is ALWAYS something really effed up that happens to me or someone i am with.
nice post by dave h. he hit the nail right on the head.
I forgot to add...perhaps, this is an example of being too sheltered in the suburbs and not developing the street smarts you need for life, especially in the city.
It's not just NYC that's dangerous,
There's 2 would be serial killers out West.
One in AZ and one in WA, Okay, I'm stretching about the one in WA with the mother and daughter found dead in the woods. However, the way they were posed makes it very scary, other campers found them squating as if going to the bathroom.
NOW that's SCARY.
It's the 2 legged animal one has to watch.
"Sad lesson for a lot of young women who drink way too much too late into the night"
You know what, PATH? Fuck you. The appropriate "lesson" for drinking too much is a bitch of a hangover, ending up in bed with some dude you never thought was cute in the first place, or puking everywhere and having your friends make fun of you forever because of it. Getting abducted and beaten to death is not a "lesson", it's a tragedy.
Everybody I know who had some kind of a social life when they were younger did something like this - including me. This girl was just unlucky enough to get spotted by the wrong guy. Horrific. RIP, Jennifer.
Samantha T.- Read what I wrote aloud or more slowly. The "tragic" lesson is for other girls not Jennifer. It sounds, sadly, that you had numerous lessons, of which you learned little, over and over again.
Good, those kids got what they deserved. You shouldn't do things against the law!
bec: "what is have their period on you...?" Come on we are in the 21st century. Can't you come up with better wording.
bumbaclaut: Well I know that if I singled out the idea that only people from outside of the city do mistakes like drive drunk, I would have pissed off lots of people. The whole "period" wording was just a smart ass way of putting it.
C.H.U.D.: there should be a law agianst commentt like yours. Do have no logic or reasoning capability. Surely, your mind can expand wide enough to see a bigger picture here. Don't bother with compasions that would require too much expansion, you could hurt yourself. But please try to start with the the small stuff.
You shouldn't break the law. Yes, you are correct. However, you also shouldn't think evil thoughts. What goes around comes around. Evil attracts evil.
Did anyone see the interview with her dad on the CBS news at noon? Something seemed a little off with him. I'm sure he's overcome with grief and not completely himself, but he was acting way too calm and collected for a man whose daughter was just found murdered. His attitude was almost like "shit happens". And he used the word "stuff" alot.
While a tragedy, the blame is really only on the dead girl's poor decisions and the person who murdered her. It'd be nice to believe that it was the clubs fault for serving her alcohol but we all know that underage drinking is like smoking pot, almost everyone you know has done it and most of them have never been caught.
The bigger issue in this is actually a different thing than her death. I agree with "eckuse me columbo" with asking why all the coverage over a young white girl from suburbia when many young women of color in the city are assaulted and killed every day with nary a peep from the media.
Let's just hope that this crime finds justice but not at the expense of yet another life. Calling for the death penalty is only asking for vengence and not justice.
Yep, saw the noon broadcast,
he basically says what many white people say,
"shit happens" then you die. (sorry if I'm generalizing but it seems many on the internet are very unsympathetic)
war happens, civilian deaths happens, shit happens.
them be the breaks,
break it up, break down.
Hey bumbaclaut- What the C.H.U.D. says, is what goes! If you don't like it, f-yourself!
daddy's girl, cut out the reverse racism and generalizations. it only makes you look bad.
I have no statistics on this.. and this is just a hypothesis.. so please allow me a little leeway here..
but could >one
White girls are more likely to be assaulted/killed by a random stranger and black girls are more likely to be assaulted/killed by another black person who knows them.
For some reason, the public considers the randomness of the first scenario more of a horror.. because there is a loss of control issue... this works in the same warped way that many are frightened by potential terrorism but not getting into the driver's seat of their car despite a much higher fatality rate for the latter.
Just some thoughts... ??
This got dropped from my second paragraph, not sure why:
but could one of the reasons why white girls getting assaulted/killed receives more media attention be that:
Hey genius, the phrase "reverse racism" implies that there's a proper flow to racism. If something's racist, it's just racist.
LOL@ Claude
Im sure the stats between murder rates of white/black females and them knowing their murders are probably around the same. Your theory buys into the fact the classic 'All black people know each other' lol.
some of the comments from these readers are downright scary and deplorable. clearly it was a bad decision to leave the yard where her car and her drunk friend were. she was afraid of getting busted for underage drinking and got herself into a much bigger mess, which was roaming 12th avenue drunk, late at night. as a 30 year old man, i sometimes make stupid decisions when i am drunk, but those are usually along the lines of an embarrassing text msg or drunk dial. when you are 18 and can't handle your liquor, poor decisions can be remarkably worse, and sometimes tragic, such as this case. this story is horrible and was totally preventable. the workers at the impound lot should NOT have let her leave. letting her wander the streets at night in that area, wearing that outfit was a disasterous decision. they should have made her stay with her friend so she could get in the ambulance with her. And, this is not a tragic story just because she is white. This isn't the NYC of 1990, and there aren't women of color being killed every day and ignored. The stats show that there are approx 500 murders a year in all of NYC. Simple math shows that is just more than 1 per day, so this story deserves the attention it is getting. God rest this poor girl's soul. And kudos to the earlier poster who advised any young kids reading this - if you are going to drink, take the train and stay together. Don't drive, and don't be stupid.
Hey bumbaclaut- What the C.H.U.D. says, is what goes! If you don't like it, f-yourself!
[52] Posted by: C.H.U.D. | July 27, 2006 04:12 PM
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That is my favorite past time... oh wow...f-yourself...oh wow....oh...oh.... Did you mean freeze yourself or freak yourself or just f-yourself? At least I get f from somewhere.
What C.H.U.D. says is ignorant babble.
Newsflash,
this is a big story for the same reason why White Babies are always worth more than Black babies when it comes to adoptions.
You can't give a black baby away but White babies costs as much as a luxury car.
someone's gotta say it. we live in a sick society.
This is extremely tragic - given.
However, please do not go crazy blaming alcohol in this, saying "we've all made poor decisions when drunk." This is a lot different.
It's a lot more about common sense, intelligence, upbringing, and street smarts.
For one, the girls were able to locate the car. I've had a car towed in that same area, and it is a nightmare of a beaurocratic process to even locate it (involving recorded phone messages, typing in ur licence plate #, going thru menu after menu of instructions) - no one THAT drunk could manage it, trust me. Secondly, her friend's sickness could have been any number of things - but certainly anxiety and panic mixed in with the alcohol was a major factor. Plus, you have to understand at that point adrenaline takes over, fight-or-flight reactions overcome the drunkenness.
No, what we have here is clearly someone who was put in a situation she had no idea how to handle. Who's fault that is is up for debate. However, like some others have said, she had many many other, tremendously better options. If nothing else, I would hope this serves as a lesson to others who are equally sheltered and naive.
With that said, the situation is truly terrible. I only hope it might save others. RIP.
Screw you man! Don't mess with the C.H.U.D.! I don't write ignorant babble, you do!
The NYPD arrested the person who initially was held as a person of interest.
Still lot's of missing info as to how he got the body to NJ. They say it was a suitcase.
The "friend" was not a friend but an acquaintance, the father never heard her daughter mention this person.
The impound lot refused to release the car due to their condition (drunk).