April 19, 2007
Lesbians Found Guilty of Attacking Straight Man
A Manhattan jury found four women guilty of gang assault for attacking a man outside the IFC Center last summer. The man, Dwayne Buckle of Queens, said that the group of lesbians attacked him because he was straight, while the women contended Buckle had used slurs and threw a cigarette at them - and that another man stabbed him.
Patreese Johnson, who claimed Buckle said, "I'll f--- you straight" to her, was found not guilty of second degree attempted murder, but was found guilty of first degree assault. She faces 5-25 years of prison time, while Renata Hill, Terrain Dandridge, and Venice Brown were found guilty of second degree gang assault, which means 3.5-15 years of prison time. Three of their friends pleaded guilty before trial to lesser counts.
The women were jailed without bail, and the AP reports that State Supreme Court Justice Edward McLaughlin explained to their lawyers, "There's simply no point in talking. They're out of state residents facing mandatory prison time." The women, who are from NJ, called out, “No-oo!” “Mommy!” and “I didn’t do it!” as they were led from the courtroom, and the Post reports that "some of their friends and family members threw water bottles and spat at photographers." Buckle told the Daily News, "I'm stabbed and I have a scar that will be with me for the rest of my life. They have their jail sentences, but they'll be out soon. This is what I get for being a nice guy." Uh, nice guy who called them names, though.
The women's lawyers said they will appeal and defense lawyer Susan Tipograph added, "These are seven decent and nice young women who came into the city to have a good time. They were hit upon by an abusive homophobic man. Now they're all going to state prison."
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"They were hit upon by an abusive homophobic man. Now they're all going to state prison."
Maybe they should have oh...I don't know...IGNORED HIM!
They deserve what they got. You can't beat someone up then be surprised when you are sentenced for the crime.
(sorry if this posts twice - "internal server error")
The guy called them names and that's supposed to justify the lesbian's brutal attack?
What ever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"?
They deserve to go to prison for a long time. Good riddance.
Darn, Ganstagirl! Get out of my head! You said exactly what I was going to say.
guess what, you poor little girls, you can't stab people!
I guess that footage of the guy actively attacking the girls (which the lawyers claimed would exonerate them) didn't really exist.
Are there any witnesses other than the four girls who say the man called them names? If so, sorry... I don't really buy it.
If he did call them names, it doesn't justify nearly beating him to death. And, he's straight and they're gay... why weren't they charged with hate crimes?
Catcalls can be humiliating. Every woman in NY knows how humiliating and disgusting they can be. This guy will now feel emboldened to do it again.
I wish the girls hadn't jumped him.
nappy headed hos
Really, you think that getting beaten, stabbed, and then being involved in an embarrassing media circus will really [b]embolden[/b] this guy to do it more?
Yep... he got away with whatever comments he originally made. I don't see him not saying whatever trash he originally said to stop.
I sometimes wonder what guys think they'll gain by saying the things they say to women. Whatever made him say that crap in the first place, isn't going to go away by a media circus. I hope I'm wrong, but if trash like that comes out of your mouth in the first place, doesn't mean that trash like that won't come out again.
Catcalls can be humiliating. Every woman in NY knows how humiliating and disgusting they can be. This guy will now feel emboldened to do it again.
Yes, I find near-death makes me really want to try something again.
I will admit that I'm a little cynical, though.
No matter what the guy said... there was absolutly no real reason to stab the guy.
Any justificatiion of stabbing somone by saying he called us names or was rude, a dick, vulgar, humilliating, etc. is complete bullshit.
If I stabbed everyone who said somthing I didn't like there would be a long trail of bodies over the past few decades.
Those woman really can't justify stabbing a person for what he SAID.
You get away with near death, you feel superhuman. He's vindicated. The court basically proved he did nothing wrong, even if he was admonished.
Anyway, agree with me or not, I don't really care.
nappy headed hos is right.
The girls say he threw something at them. Of course there's no justification for him getting stabbed, and they just might have been a gang of girls who wanted to jump on someone. I just don't think, if the guy actually said what he said, that he'll stop. I hope he'll never say it again, but...
... it hasn't stopped idiots from saying nappy headed ho, either, now has it?
Eldert, you're projecting.
It's possible. But everyone else is projecting that it won't happen, too.
guys on the street can be scary and bother girls all the time. once a guy called me a lesbian and followed me and yelled me to "s" a "d" (if you a know what I am saying) because I ignored his advances. scary.
Kids now-a-days have no respect for anyone or anything - adults, private property, the law... as a society we need to become less tolerant to abuse and reward those who respect things.
You know, as a girl, you get constantly harrassed by idiots all day long. Every guy thinks he's "a nice guy," it seems. This is the kind of thing I get on a daily basis:
Guy: Hello, beautiful.
Me: (I don't turn or respond, because I don't know this man, or care to know him, since I have a boyfriend and am not trawling the sidewalk for another one).
Guy: Say thank you, bitch!
Me: (I keep walking, because I have a job to get to and a life to get on with).
Guy: Hey, bitch! Say thank you! Bitch! Bitch! You're UGLY!
When you're a girl, it seems like very corner you turn is going to offer that same "nice" guy, with the same comment, and all of them making you feel like you're obliged in some way to them because they have NOTICED you. Wow. You should be grateful to be noticed. Because we girls, we don't have the right to choose who we talk to, do we? We let ourselves be chosen by men who know better than us who is good for us, right?
It's harrassment. Guys should just leave us alone. We want to be able to walk down the street to get the paper or our chinese food, or to the subway without some cretin who thinks he's a nice guy approaching us over and over and over again. Talking to them encourages them, and ignoring them encourages them.
I just want to know: when has this technique ever worked for a man? Has a woman ever turned and said, "Well, hello, big fella. Glad you noticed me. Do you want to start a life together?"
regardless of what he did say, it's his right to say what he wants with the exception of racial slurs etc. it is not however, anyones right to brutally attack or stab another person, unless it's in self defense. it's clear these women were not under any threatening harm or abuse... they were called some names (if that's even true at all) and severly beat and stabbed another human being. sorry ladies this isn't newark... have fun in the clink...
a girl: As a man who grew up with two sisters and a single Mom I totally hear what you're saying, but I do wonder about something; if a guy says "Hello beautiful" he's harassing you?!?! What if he is a genuinely nice guy? I understand that the guy you mentioned was a jerk, but how does that equate with no guy being allowed to even talk to you?
I hear women from NYC complain all the time about the lack of 'nice guys', and then one tries to introduce himself to a woman, and he's a creep. I understand that you need to be careful but every guy that talks to you is not a cretin.
Is there a way to tell or is it easier to just ignore every guy?
JP: You didn't ask me, that never stopped me before, but, it depends on what and how the guy says it.
When I was about 12, walking down the street with my father, a guy walked past me, leaned over and whispered in my ear, "I want to lick your c**t."
Two things: I was clearly 12 and clearly with my father. That's a good example of what not to say.
But if a dude on the street says hello in a way that not's looking down your pants and screwing you right on the street, it's no problem. Just say hello back if you want to and keep walking. Sometimes they just want a little recognization, and it can be sweet.
But really, sometimes it's just horrendous.
And you know, hopefully, if this guy did say something horrible to provoke them, he will learn from it. And if the girls just attacked him for something that wasn't so provacative, then they do take the brunt of the blame.
When you're a girl, it seems like very corner you turn is going to offer that same "nice" guy, with the same comment, and all of them making you feel like you're obliged in some way to them because they have NOTICED you. Wow. You should be grateful to be noticed. Because we girls, we don't have the right to choose who we talk to, do we? We let ourselves be chosen by men who know better than us who is good for us, right?
It's harrassment. Guys should just leave us alone. We want to be able to walk down the street to get the paper or our chinese food, or to the subway without some cretin who thinks he's a nice guy approaching us over and over and over again. Talking to them encourages them, and ignoring them encourages them.
Wow, what a delicate flower. Toughen up...like the smell of pi$$ in subway stairwells, catcalls and wolf whistles are a fact of life in NYC. Move back to Des Moines if you can't handle it.
Misfit: You're one of the idiots that give the rest of us real men (men that are nice and have some sense of decency and honor) a bad name. Rude behavior should be tolerated because it's NYC?!?! I've lived here my entire life and refuse to accept it - maybe you're the one that should move.
Uh... what happened to me when I was 12 was in Detroit. It's got nothing to do with NYC alone. I was followed across the Seine by some dude who wouldn't let it go, too. And that was only ONE time in Paris. And telling somebody to "toughen up" sounds the same as when someone just tells me on the street to "smile." If I wanted to smile, I would be smiling. Especially if you weren't looking at my ass.
Uh... what happened to me when I was 12 was in Detroit. It's got nothing to do with NYC alone. I was followed across the Seine by some dude who wouldn't let it go, too. And that was only ONE time in Paris. And telling somebody to "toughen up" sounds the same as when someone just tells me on the street to "smile." If I wanted to smile, I would be smiling. Especially if you were looking at my face when you said it and not my ass. (sorry if this posts twice.)
JP Lynch: when some guy accosts you in the street and says "hey beautiful," or "Nice lips," or "nice ass," it's safe to assume he's a jerk. It's not nice. Nice men don't do that. You say you grew up with women, but would you like it if you saw your sister being accosted constantly by strange men on the street? I"m not talking about someone she might meet in a bar that she chose to enter, or someone from work or the local Barnes & Noble. I'm talking about strangers you never saw before, or strangers you only see hanging around on the street corner at all hours of the day.
When a woman wants to meet someone, she goes to a party, or a bar, and she knows how to make it clear that she's available for an advance. If she's on the subway and fancies a man (or woman, for that matter), she might ask what book he's reading, or what time it is, or for directions. You can't just expect a woman to welcome the un-asked for attentions of a strange man. He could be anyone, a rapist, a killer, a creep with no clue... There are ways a woman has to behave in the city in order to protect herself. If a man doesn't understand that, then he need to open his eyes.
As for Misfit: I guess you think people from Des Moines have good manners, but I'm from New York. I'm not a delicate flower. I have to walk around looking like I'd willingly kill the first person who speaks to me in order to get through the day without men bothering me, since I don't work in an office and am quite often to be seen outside on my way to my next appointment. So I guess I am talking about clueless men like you. Women being expected to tolerate catcalls went out with Archie Bunker. How would you react if men catcalled your mother or your little sister all day long? Would you tell them to toughen up?
And in case you wondered, Misfit, I have had very nice men in my life. And they were not men who walked up to me in the subway: I introduced myself to THEM. Politely, in the proper context. My boyfriend does not think of me as either a delicate flower or a mean bitch. Only people like you do.
Toughen up? That's what makes socially inept men like you think women are such bitches. You tell us to toughen up, and take your crap, and then you think, "what a bitch" when you make an awkward pass and go down in flames. How about this scenario. Let's say you, a man, presumably heterosexual, are walking around and all day long men keep looking at your crotch, making comments, and making passes at YOU. Let's say you're not pleased to get this kind of attention, you just want to get to your job, or get your cigarettes and go back home, but every where you turn men just keep making passes at you, saying, "Hey, sweet cheeks," or "smile, it's not so bad." And then I said, hey buddy, toughen up, you're a cute piece of ass, you should just get used to it.
Have you ever heard of unwelcome attention?
Surprise, surprise, the battle of the sexes continues...
Listen, us men and women are NEVER going to get this thing all figured out. It is too hard to pin down specific protocols of courtship in a multicultural environment such as NYC.
Traditional roles are being turned upside-down, twisted by the multitude of competing forces that make up liberalism.
What's more important, respecting someone's culture or respecting a universal ideal such as feminism?
This is a question that is on the razor's edge of rationality, able to be forced in to temporal meanings by the loudest wordsmith of wit. Like all controversial issues, including abortion and gun control, the philosophical reasonings end up in paradoxical juxtapositions after a just few volleys of debate...
...I say an end to ideas! Quick death to opinions!
It boggles my mind that so few come to this realization... luckily for all of us it was of the utmost importance to the people who forged the doctrines that govern our nation. A quick read of the 10th Federalist Paper says it all.
To paraphrase, John Stuart Mill, an unfettered, vigorous exchange of opinion ought to improve our grasp of the truth.
Take heed of his wise words, and invest nothing in your opinions lest your search for truth be for naught.